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Osho and the Beedi Baba (Nisargadatta Maharaj)

파라리아 — Thu, 12 Jan 2023 11:45:46 +0900

Osho and the Beedi Baba
Posted on 26 May, 2012 by sannyasnews
The Beedi Baba

One day in Pune one Osho  asked  two disciples to visit the Beedi Baba.  (Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj).  He lived in the Bombay back streets over his tobacco shop. He taught advaita there, and some westerners had also begun to go and see him. This followed the 1973 publication of   a book, called “I am That” which was a brilliant translation by Maruice Frydman of Maharaj’s satsang talks in a crowded room above his shop.    Whether Maharaj smoked Beedi’s all the time when he wasn’t talking, well, I was never there. Osho seemed to think so. The two disciples, were requested to rendezvous with Vivek in front of Lao Tzu house so they could obtain directions. They found his shop easily enough when they got to Bombay.

“Smoke?” he asked.   They nodded  “American?” he asked , again assent. All sat in the smoking area. Silence descended for some time. one of the disciples later said it was like  “The silence of another dimension” . After a while Maharaj stirred and left,  as did they.  As one said later “what transpired  remains  a mystery”.

Not surprisingly, as Osho clearly had some regard or interest in Maharaj, in that he sent two disciples there,  Osho was typically scathing in his public comment. For example:

“There is a man in Bombay, Nisargadatta Maharaj. Nobody knew this big name; he was known to the masses as “Beedie Baba” because he was continuously smoking beedies. You can find such in every village such kinds of beedie babas. I think India has seven hundred thousand villages and each village must have at least one; more is possible. And Amrito wrote a few days ago to me, because another young Dutchman became very much involved with Beedie Baba…
The man seems to be very sincere, but the trouble is that the people who come from the West have a very childlike heart, very trusting, and they are unaware that in India spirituality is just a routine. Everybody talks about great things and their lives are as ugly as possible. When Beedie Baba said that he would speak only to this young Dutchman, naturally his ego must have felt tremendously vast.
The crowd that surrounded Beedie Baba was also of the same quality… rickshaw wallahs waiting for their passengers, sitting by the side of Beedie Baba. And when he said he would not speak to anybody unless it was this Dutchman… So he spoke to the Dutchman, who has now compiled books on Beedie Baba.
Now in India it is almost parrot-like, but to the Westerner it seems to be a tremendous revelation — when Beedie Baba said, “Aham brahmasmi; I am God, I am that” the young Dutchman immediately wrote a book: I AM THAT! Because for the West, spirituality is a foreign affair, just as for the East, science is a foreign affair.”

So there you have it, Osho in paradoxical form. I have read “I am That”. It is a great book. Maybe Osho had also read it and sensed something… As someone once said you can hold that book in your hand, and still get transmission after only reading a few paragraphs. To me it is a miracle, because Maharaj had absolutely no formal education, and yet felt at home , as we would say in the west, with this high level of spiritual discourse. And one more thing, Maharaj lived until 84, so did he really smoke that much. I doubt it.

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Osho on Nisargadatta Maharaj

파라리아 — Thu, 12 Jan 2023 11:38:24 +0900

Osho on Nisargadatta Maharaj

You can get stuck in the middle and you cannot do anything.

With a ladder, you are absolutely free! You are the master: you can take the ladder wherever you want, you can leave the ladder wherever you want. The ladder will not cling to you and the ladder will not ask you for any kind of surrender. I love the idea! I am certainly an old-fashioned ladder.

My whole effort is to make masters of you. Krishnamurti has not even been able to make disciples of you.

I have called Amrito tonight to ask, "What other nonsense have you been listening to from these so-called enlightened people? You are my disciple and you have to finish your book with my declaration that you are now a master! Without that, the book will remain incomplete. But first tell me what all these idiots have been telling you so I can answer them; otherwise your book will remain incomplete."

There was a man in Bombay, Nisargadatta Maharaj. Nobody knew this big name; he was known to the masses as "Beedie Baba" because he was continuously smoking beedies. You can find in every village such kinds of beedie babas. I think India has seven hundred thousand villages and each village must have at least one; more is possible. And Amrito wrote a few days ago to me, because another young Dutchman became very much involved with Beedie Baba… The man seems to be very sincere, but the trouble is that the people who come from the West have a very childlike heart, very trusting, and they are unaware that in India spirituality is just a routine. Everybody talks about great things and their lives are as ugly as possible.

When Beedie Baba said that he would speak only to this young Dutchman, naturally his ego must have felt tremendously vast. The crowd that surrounded Beedie Baba was also of the same quality… rickshaw wallahs waiting for their passengers, sitting by the side of Beedie Baba. And when he said he would not speak to anybody unless it was this Dutchman… So he spoke to the Dutchman, who has now compiled books on Beedie Baba.

Now in India it is almost parrot-like, but to the Westerner it seems to be a tremendous revelation -- when Beedie Baba said, "Aham brahmasmi; I am God, I am that" the young Dutchman immediately wrote a book: I AM THAT! Because for the West, spirituality is a foreign affair, just as for the East, science is a foreign affair.

I have heard: In a factory in Bombay, they installed a very costly mechanism. Two days it worked, and then it stopped. It worked for two days because the expert was present, and the moment the expert was gone the mechanism stopped. They phoned the expert -- "What to do?"

He said, "I will have to come and it will cost a lot of money, ten thousand dollars."

But to keep the factory closed was even more costly, so they had to allow the man to come. And the man came and just hit the machine and it started working! The industrialist asked him, "Just for this hitting you are costing me ten thousand dollars?"

He said, "It is not for the hitting. For hitting it is only one dollar, but to know where to hit it costs money."

When Amrito's letter came to me about this Dutchman, saying that "Many sannyasins are going to him, and I am also going to him," I talked about it. He heard it, and he took the tape to the man. The man heard it, and he was very grateful but baffled also, because he was gathering a big crowd of disciples. But because he felt baffled and he was grateful that I had talked about him… I would like Amrito, when he goes back, either to bring the man to me or send him to me. Because I know where to hit!

Even the poorest beggar knows more about metaphysics, about great ideologies… And when the Western man comes -- he may be well educated but his education is of science, his education is of logic, his education makes him a great intellectual. But in the heart he remains very naive. Then any Beedie Baba, any idiot can make a great impact on him. This Dutch man lived for months together with Beedie Baba. He does not mention his well-known name, Beedie Baba; he mentions only his legal name, Nisargadatta Maharaj. He has written many books on Nisargadatta Maharaj; he has made Nisargadatta famous all over the world. I have looked through those books -- sheer nonsense.

Remember “I am”

파라리아 — Tue, 10 Jan 2023 13:51:00 +0900

“Wherever you are, remember yourself, that you are. This consciousness that you are should become a continuity. Not your name, your caste, your nationality. Those are futile things, absolutely useless. Just remember that: I am. This must not be forgotten. Walking, sitting, eating, talking, remember that: I am.

“It will be difficult, very arduous. In the beginning you will keep forgetting: there will be only single moments when you will feel illuminated, then it is lost. But don’t get miserable; even single moments are much. Go on, whenever you can remember again catch hold of the thread. When you forget, don’t worry; remember again, and by and by the gaps will lessen, the intervals will start dropping, a continuity will arise.

“And whenever your consciousness becomes continuous, you need not use the mind. Then there is no planning, then you act out of your consciousness, not out of your mind. Then there is no need for any apology, no need to give any explanation. Then you are whatsoever you are; there is nothing to hide. Whatsoever you are, you are. You cannot do anything else. You can only be in a state of continuous remembrance. Through this remembrance, this mindfulness, comes the authentic religion, comes the authentic morality.

“This is what Hindus call self-remembrance, what the Buddha called right-mindfulness, what Gurdjieff used to call self-remembering, what Krishnamurti calls awareness. This is the most substantial part of meditation, to remember that: I am.

“You need not repeat it in the mind, ‘I am walking.’ If you repeat it, that is not remembrance. You have to be non-verbally aware that ‘I am walking, I am eating, I am talking, I am listening.’ Whatsoever you do, the ‘I’ inside should not be forgotten; it should remain.

“It is not self-consciousness. It is consciousness of the self. Self-consciousness is ego. Consciousness of the self is asmita...purity, just being aware that ‘I am’.

“Ordinarily, your consciousness is arrowed towards the object. You look at me: your whole consciousness is moving towards me like an arrow. But you are arrowed towards me. Self-remembering means you must have a double-arrow: one side of it showing to me, another side showing to you. A double-arrow is self-remembrance.”

Osho: The Empty Boat / Yoga:The Science of the Soul

日常喜欢您

파라리아 — Wed, 3 Mar 2021 23:30:05 +0900

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知晓你还会在梦里对我眨眼
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就算你又出现在梦里
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你就像清早第一口水很甜
让我沐浴在你给我的新鲜
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在下一个场景等着你出现
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留给我被夕阳亲过的腼腆
知晓你还会在梦里对我眨眼
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明明知道喜欢你已经变成日常
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All promise for tomorrow are lies (Marriage is against nature)

파라리아 — Sun, 28 Feb 2021 03:00:09 +0900

BELOVED OSHO,

WHY IS IT SO DIFFICULT FOR MEN AND WOMEN TO BE FRIENDS? IT SEEMS SO ORDINARY,
AND TURNS OUT TO BE ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE. EITHER THERE IS AN UGLY COMPROMISE
– LIKE MAN AND WIFE – OR ELSE PASSION THAT EVENTUALLY TURNS INTO HATE. WHY IS
THERE ALWAYS UGLINESS BETWEEN MEN AND WOMEN?

It is very simple to understand. Marriage is the ugliest institution invented by man. It is not natural; it
has been invented so that you can monopolize a woman. You have been treating women as if they
were a piece of land, or some currency notes. You have reduced the woman to a thing.

Remember that if you reduce any human being to a thing – unaware, unconscious – you are also
being reduced to the same status; otherwise, you will not be able to communicate. If you can talk
with a chair, you must be a chair.

Marriage is against nature.

You can be certain only of this moment that is in your hands. All promises for tomorrow are lies –
and marriage is a promise for your whole life, that you will remain together, that you will love each
other, that you will respect each other till your last breath.

And these priests, who are the inventors of many ugly things, say to you that marriages are made in
heaven. Nothing is made in heaven; there is no heaven.

If you listen to nature, your problems, your questions will simply evaporate. The problem is:
biologically man is attracted to woman, women are attracted to men, but that attraction cannot
remain the same forever. You are attracted to something which is a challenge to get. You see a
beautiful man, a beautiful woman; you are attracted. Nothing is wrong in it. You feel your heart
beating faster. You would like to be with this woman or man, and the attraction is so tremendous
that in that moment you think you would like to live with this woman forever.

Lovers don’t deceive each other, they are saying the truth – but that truth belongs to the moment.
When lovers say to each other, ”I cannot live without you,” it is not that he is deceiving or she is
deceiving, they mean it. But they don’t know the nature of life. Tomorrow this same woman will not
look so beautiful. As days pass, the man and the woman both will feel that they are imprisoned.

They have know each other’s geography completely. First it was an unknown territory to be discovered, now there is nothing to be discovered.
And to go on repeating the same words and the same acts looks mechanical, ugly. That’s why
passion turns into hate. The woman hates you, because you are going to do the same thing again.
To prevent you, the moment the husband enters the house she goes to bed, she has a headache.
She wants somehow not to get into the same rut. And the man is flirting with his secretary in the
office; now she is an unknown territory.

To me, it is all nature. What is unnatural is binding people in the name of religion, in the name of
God, for their whole life.

In a better, more intelligent world, people will love, but will not make any contracts. It is not a
business! They will understand each other, and they will understand the changing flux of life. They
will be true to each other. The moment the man feels that now his beloved holds no joy for him, he
will say that the time has come to part. There is no need for marriage, there is no need for divorce.
Then friendship will be possible.

You ask me why friendship is not possible between men and women.... Friendship is not possible
between the jailer and the imprisoned. Friendship is possible between equal human beings, totally
free from all bondage of society, culture, civilization, only living true to their authentic nature.

It is not an insult to the woman to say, ”Honey, the honeymoon is over.” It is not an insult to the man if
the woman says, ”Now things cannot be beautiful. The wind that has blown is no longer there. The
season has changed, it is no longer spring between us; no flowers blossom, no fragrance arises.
It is time to part.” And because there is no legal bondage of marriage, there is no question of any
divorce.

It is ugly that the court and the law and the state interfere in your private life – you have to ask their
permission. Who are they? It is a question between two individuals, their private affair.

There will be only friends – no husbands, no wives. Of course, if there is only friendship, passion
will never turn into hate. The moment you feel passion disappearing, you will say good-bye, and it
will be understood. Even if it hurts, nothing can be done about it – it is the way of life.

But man has created societies, cultures, civilizations, rules, regulations, and made the whole
humanity unnatural. That’s why men and women cannot be friends. And men and women either
become husbands and wives – which is something absolutely ugly; they start owning each other....

People are not things, you cannot have ownership. If I feel your wife is beautiful, and approach her,
you are angry, you are ready to fight because I am approaching your property. No wife is anybody’s
property, no husband is anybody’s property. What kind of world have you created? People are
reduced to properties; then there is jealousy, hatred.

You yourself know that you are attracted to the neighbor’s wife; naturally, you can guess about your
wife too. Your wife knows perfectly well she is attracted to somebody else, but she cannot approach
that person because of the husband: he is standing there with a gun! Love is bound to turn into hate,
and for the whole life the hate goes on accumulating. And out of this hatred do you think beautiful
children are going to be born? They are not born out of love, but out of duty. It is the wife’s duty to
allow you to use her.

To tell the truth, there is no difference between wives and prostitutes. The difference is just like the
difference between having your own car or going in a taxi.

You go to a prostitute – it is for a few hours, it is beautiful. After a few hours it is finished; you have
paid the woman. And now there are male prostitutes also, particularly in California; California seems
to be not part of this world. A few hours of relationship is purchased, and when you pay the woman
or the man, everything is goody-goody. You will not recognize each other the next day when you
meet on the street; there is no need, there has been no contract. You will not even say hello, not
even ”Hi.” There is no need.

A prostitute is purchased only for a few hours; wives are a long-term affair, it is economical. Royal
families are not allowed to marry outside royal blood: status, money, power.... Nobody can love
anybody in such circumstances, where the relationship is financial.

The woman is dependent on you because you earn. And for centuries men have not allowed women
to be educated, to be in business, to have jobs, for the simple reason that if the woman has her own
financial status, her own bank account, you cannot reduce her to a thing. She has to be dependent
on you. And do you think anybody who has to be dependent on you will love you?

Every woman wants to kill the husband. It is another matter that she does not kill him – because if
she kills him, what will she do? She is not educated, she has no experience of the society, she has
no way of earning. The husband – every husband, I don’t make any exceptions – wants to get rid
of the woman. But he cannot get rid of her. There are children, and he himself has promised the
woman thousands of times that he loves her. When he goes to his job he kisses the woman; there
is no love in it, just skeletons touching each other. Nobody is present.

Man has created a society in which friendship between man and woman is impossible.

I would like my people to remember – even though you have to follow the laws of the society;
otherwise they will imprison you and punish you and kill you... but remember, friendship is so
valuable that whatsoever the consequence, remain friends even with your wife, even with your
husband, and allow absolute and total freedom to each other.

I don’t see any problem. If I love a woman, and one day she says that she has fallen in love with
somebody else and feels very happy, I will be happy. I love her, and I would like her to be happy –
where is the problem? I will help her in every way so that she can be more happy. If she can be
more happy with somebody else, what hurts me?

It is your ego that hurts: she has found somebody else who is better than you. It is not a question
of better, it may be just your chauffeur – it is just a question of a little change. And if you give full
freedom to each other, perhaps you can remain together for your whole life, or for the whole eternity,
because there is no need to get rid of each other.

Marriage creates the need to get rid of each other, because it means freedom is taken away – and
freedom is the highest value in human life. Make all the couples free, and you will be surprised, this
very world becomes paradise.

There are other problems. You have children – what to do with children? My answer is that children
should not belong to their parents, they should belong to the commune. Then there is no problem.
The parents can meet the children, they can invite the children, they can be friends with their
children; and yet the children are not dependent on them, they belong to the commune. And it
will destroy many psychological problems.

If a boy knows only his mother, the mother’s personality becomes an imprint on him. Now, his whole
life he will be trying to find a woman who is like his mother – and he will never find such a woman.
A girl will never find another man who is exactly a copy of her father. Then you cannot be satisfied
with any woman, any man.

But if the children belong to the commune, they will come in contact with so many uncles and so
many aunts – they will not carry a single picture in their minds. They will have a vague idea of
womanhood or manhood, and to that idea, many people of the commune will have contributed;
it will be multidimensional. There is a possibility of finding somebody, because you only have a
vague idea. You can find somebody, and that person will make your vague idea solid, a reality.
Right now you have a solid idea within you, and you meet a vague person. Sooner or later there is
disappointment.

And children belonging to the commune will learn much, will be more friendly, will be more available
to all kinds of influences. They will be richer. A child being brought up by a couple is very poor. He
does not know that there are millions of people with different minds, different kinds of beauty. If a
child moves in the commune, naturally he will be far richer. And he will have known so much before
he decides to be with someone that there is a possibility of a long friendship.

What happens now? You see a girl on the beach and you fall in love. You know nothing about the
girl, you know only her make-up. Tomorrow morning when you get up and the make-up is gone, you
will say, ”My God! What have I done? This is not the woman I married, this is someone else!” But
you cannot go against your word either. And if you do, then the government is there, the courts are
there to put you back into your right place. This is a very ugly situation, sick.

People should be given freedom to know each other, to know as many people as possible, because
each person is so unique, there is no question of comparison. Let the child drink from many sources,
and he will have some insight into who is going to be the right person to live with.

Nobody will fall in love; everybody will decide consciously that ”This is the one.” He has known so
many people, he understands that this is the one who has those characteristics, those qualities that
he has loved. And then too it is only going to be a friendship. There is no fear; if tomorrow things
change there is no harm.

The society should not live in a routine way, in a fixed way – static, dormant – it should be a moving
flux. One woman can give you a certain kind of joy, another woman can give you another kind of joy.
A third woman will be a surprise. So why remain poor”? – just because Jesus has said, ”Blessed
are the poor”?

Be richer in every dimension, and keep yourself open and available. And whoever you are with, let
the other person understand clearly that ”It is freedom between us, not a marriage license. Out of
freedom we meet, with no promises for the future – because who knows the future?”

When I was a student in the university in my final master’s course, one girl was very much interested
in me. She was a beautiful girl, but my interest was not in women at that time. I was crazy in search
of God!

After the examinations, when she was leaving the university.... She had waited – I knew it – she
had waited and waited for me to approach her. That is the usual way, that the man approaches the
woman; it is graceful for the woman not to approach the man. Strange idea... I don’t understand.
Whoever approaches, it is graceful. If fact, whoever initiates is courageous.

When we were leaving the university she said, ”Now there is no chance.” She took me aside and
said, ”For two years continuously I have been waiting. Can’t we be together for our whole lives? I
love you.”

I said, ”If you love me, then please leave me alone. I also love you, that’s why I am leaving you alone
– because I know what has been happening in the name of love. People are becoming imprisoned,
chained; they lose all their joy, life becomes a drag. So this is my parting advice to you,” I said,
”Never try to cling to a person for your whole life.”

If two persons are willingly together today, it is more than enough. If tomorrow again they feel like
being together, good. If they don’t, it is their personal affair; nobody has to interfere.

Up to now, the problem of the children has always been raised. My answer is that children should
belong to the commune. They can go to their parents, whether their parents are together or separate.
And they should learn from their parents that love is no slavery, it is freedom. And they should move
in the commune, tasting, enjoying different qualities of different people.

So by the time they decide, their decision will be not just a foolish type of ”falling in love”; it will be
a very considered, contemplated, meditated phenomenon. There is a possibility they may remain
together for their whole lives. In fact, if there is freedom, there is more possibility; more people will
remain together.

If marriage disappears, divorce disappears automatically. This is a by-product of marriage. Nobody
takes note of the simple fact: why for centuries have there been prostitutes? Who created them?
Who is responsible for these poor women? It is the institution of marriage.

You are bored with your wife; just for a change you go to a woman who is not going to be a bondage
– because one is enough, two will be too much. It is just a temporary, few hours’ meeting. You can
keep yourself lovely for a few hours, loving for a few hours. She can keep herself lovely and loving
for a few hours. And moreover, she has been paid for it.

Around the world millions of women are reduced to selling their bodies. Who has done it? Your
political leaders, your religious leaders. I consider these people criminals. And not ordinary
criminals, because for centuries the whole humanity has been suffering because of these few idiots.

But you have to start with yourself, there is no other way. If you love somebody, then freedom should
be the connecting link between you. And if you see your woman tomorrow hugging somebody else,
there is no need to be jealous. She is being enriched, she is tasting a little newness – just the way
you go sometimes to a Chinese restaurant! It is good. You will come back to your own food, but the
Chinese restaurant has helped you; you may relish your own food more.

But after a few days, again – that’s how the mind is – you are moving towards an Italian restaurant...
spaghetti. I cannot even tolerate somebody eating spaghetti in front of me! But that is my problem.

Life is so simple and so beautiful, just one thing is missing: freedom. If your wife is being with some
other people, soon she will come back to you enriched, with new insight. And she will find something
in you she had never found before. And meanwhile, you need not just sit down in your chair and
beat your head. You also gain experience, so that by the time your woman is back you are also new.
You have also been to the Chinese restaurant.

Life should be a joy, a rejoicing. And then only can there be friendship between men and women;
otherwise, they are going to remain intimate enemies.

<OSHO, From the False to the Truth, Chapter 15>